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Re: Donald Trump

by ThunderWalker » Thu May 18, 2017 4:55 pm

Dragonite wrote:
Sat May 13, 2017 5:35 am
scraggypunk wrote:
Sat May 13, 2017 3:34 am
all empires fall, dragonite my dear
I would hope so. If there's any dirt of him, chances are the FBI is annoyed enough to dig it up faster. And the timing was bad enough, but the whole ''I'll leak tapes'' nonsense is a whole new level of crumpets. Why take those risk if you're not hiding something? Still, I do fear Trump hasn't done anything with Russia direct enough to get rid of him, and the whole deal is just him being that incompetent and chaotic. Anyway, not a bad time to be in politics I guess... I've never watched any fictional white house drama, and at this rate, I never will.
Indeed, there is no point in watching fiction if it happens in real life anyway.

Re: Donald Trump

by Dragonite » Sat May 13, 2017 5:35 am

scraggypunk wrote:
Sat May 13, 2017 3:34 am
all empires fall, dragonite my dear
I would hope so. If there's any dirt of him, chances are the FBI is annoyed enough to dig it up faster. And the timing was bad enough, but the whole ''I'll leak tapes'' nonsense is a whole new level of crumpets. Why take those risk if you're not hiding something? Still, I do fear Trump hasn't done anything with Russia direct enough to get rid of him, and the whole deal is just him being that incompetent and chaotic. Anyway, not a bad time to be in politics I guess... I've never watched any fictional white house drama, and at this rate, I never will.

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Sat May 13, 2017 3:34 am

all empires fall, dragonite my dear

Re: Donald Trump

by Dragonite » Fri May 12, 2017 10:44 pm

When I'm studying branches of goverment(among some other things) for a exam, and in the present the US executive branch is nearing meldown. Just as I'm grasping a but better how things are supposed to be according to it's design. It's getting surreal.

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:29 pm

scis for canadian emperor 2017

Re: Donald Trump

by Dragonite » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:09 pm

When trees attack.

Re: Donald Trump

by HPD » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:40 pm

i'd vote for you

Re: Donald Trump

by Treedweller » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:10 pm

I'd make a much better Canadian prince in any case.

Re: Donald Trump

by Treedweller » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:06 pm

Trudeau is Canada's Disney prince. And like all Disney princes, it turns out that he's actually kind of a fudge dick.

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:01 pm

yeah turns out paying attention is important

Re: Donald Trump

by Joey » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:53 pm

scraggypunk wrote:other than his terrible treatment of natives and support of the napl
thank you so much deoxy i am so fudge sick of everyone sucking off trudeau

Re: Donald Trump

by Linkman » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:54 am

Half-beast, half-evil beast?

:( fudge world sucks.

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:53 am

other than his terrible treatment of natives and support of the napl

Re: Donald Trump

by Linkman » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:39 am

Trudeau accepting refugees denied at the US. Beautiful and caring, the man is a beast.

Re: Donald Trump

by Xenesis » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:33 am

Yeah, I figure most people who live there either don't care about the deal or are sceptical.

I just know corporate America is gonna be pissed. They were finally gonna get the American style IP/Patent laws spread throughout a dozen new countries.

Re: Donald Trump

by Pkdragon » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:01 am

Yeah, I definitely don't mind the loss of the TPP, just don't delude yourselves for a moment that Trump was doing it for the rest of the world- he had just managed to convince himself that it was the absolute worst deal for america ever (i mean, besides all those other absolute worst deals ever), and was putting America First.

So don't worry Linkman, you only agree with his result, not his rationale. : )

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:03 am

i'm glad but extremely suspicious

Re: Donald Trump

by hawkesnightmare » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:38 am

Xenesis wrote:TPP was gonna screw everyone that wasn't America.

I think everyone's glad about that one apart from America.
Quite a lot of people are happy about the TPP being taken down actually. Most of the people that were pushing for it either didn't know what it really did or stood to benefit greatly from it. Contrary to popular belief, most everyday Americans care about other people, including those in other countries.

Re: Donald Trump

by Xenesis » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:27 pm

TPP was gonna screw everyone that wasn't America.

I think everyone's glad about that one apart from America.

Re: Donald Trump

by Linkman » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:34 pm

So the TPP is dead.

...I seriously thought my country was going to the short end of the stick while the US was going to benefit the most.

Oh god I agree with Donald Trump

Re: Donald Trump

by Pkdragon » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:51 am

no it's called alternative facts now

sorry, gallows humor

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:57 am

i believe it's called lying

Re: Donald Trump

by Narts » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:46 am

So uh

did this guy ever say what he's gonna do if mexico simply refuses to pay for the wall

Re: Donald Trump

by Dragonite » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:45 am

daisy wrote:She wanted a no-fly zone in Syria. That means shooting down Russian jets. Russia is a nuclear power. Kaboom.
He is boasting about his contacts with Taiwan. That means historically pissing China off. China is a nuclear power. Kaboom?

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:20 pm

Re: Donald Trump

by Pkdragon » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:50 pm

I don't really give a crumpets about Bog's ranting on Hillary and Trump and whatever. I don't particularly like Hillary either (but she isn't Trump and the fact that Bog can't seem to understand that frustrates me, but whatever, he's not American).

I just am pissed that he finds our "butthurt" "hilarious" and the way he started mocking a strawman that doesn't really exist on this forum (the rabid Hillary Clinton fan). So for the record, it wasn't what you said, it's how you said it. You just picked one hell of a topic to be an asshole about. Personal attacks tend to happen when you're a dick.

(And this is why I'm ignoring Bog. Even a bit of quoted sentence was enough to send me off. It's for everyone's good I have as little interaction with him as possible right now)

Re: Donald Trump

by Joey » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:46 pm

can any americans comment on the worst case scenarios for social rights in states like say, california or new york? how much can your government take away?
So! Depends on what you mean by social rights. It's important to understand that social rights are only important through an economic lens. Gays had to get married so that they could tie their finances to each other. Black people are murdered largely because our municipal systems incentivize police to try to hunt down cars so that fine money can pay municipal budgets.

Gay marriage is not going away. The Supreme Court could reverse Roe v Wade somehow, which would be huge, but I see this is possible but unlikely (the political repercussions would be absolutely fudge staggering).

Put simply, if you're a member of the middle class or above, you will not be hit SUPER HARD by all of this.

But that's not the point. Here are the points, and the media talks about basically none of them.

Health options will shrink immensely despite Trump being unable to repeal two elements of it (the ability to be under your parents' insurance through age 25 and insurance companies being unable to disqualify you for preexisting conditions). This will affect the poor pretty fudge deeply in what was already a pretty horrible setup under Obamacare. Medicare will be gutted, this will be horrible.

If you're an indigenous person among your people, you're going to have a bunch of oil pipelines from Canada built through your land, contaminating your water and constantly threatening spillage and contamination. This is already happening, but it's about to become much, much worse.

The ability to protest in America is about to become even more of a joke than what we saw in Ferguson, with a POTUS whose operatives are very, very, very interested in answering BlackLivesMatter movements with force. This relates to New York, and imagining the Eric Garner protests under a Trump administration is difficult to even think about.

I could go on! If you have any questions about what will happen with specific stuff, I can totally talk about those. But:

Here's the biggest reason Bogan is wrong: At least Hillary would continue on with some weak-ass barely-progress on climate change (and yeah, she's SUPER crumpets on so many issues there). With Trump, literally any progress being made will be eradicated, fully embracing the incoming disasters. This is pretty much the ultimate thing.

Re: Donald Trump

by Joey » Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:36 pm

I had other stuff I said and had typed up and ready, but I'm gonna cut right to the point.
If someone cannot even say they prefer Trump *as the least worst option* without being personally attacked, I think that says volumes about who the real fascists are here.
I hope that everyone here sees this as an own goal.

Re: Donald Trump

by daisy » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:42 am

I'm taking a break from here for a while. It's probably not wise to be talking politics in the middle of exam season.

Re: Donald Trump

by Sven » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:51 am

can any americans comment on the worst case scenarios for social rights in states like say, california or new york? how much can your government take away?

Re: Donald Trump

by daisy » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:44 am

We all know you're clicking on that "show post" button. Nice free speech defence you got going there. ;)

I still love you bro.

Re: Donald Trump

by Pkdragon » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:10 am

bog if you're talking to me i wouldn't bother i can't see your posts anymore

Re: Donald Trump

by daisy » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:47 am

Linkman wrote:Dave, you're acting douchey. Having a point of view is one thing, being obnoxious is another.
Linky, I respect you so I'm going to properly reply.

Firstly, you are correct - I am playing a Devil's Advocate. I'm playing it because I'm not going to waste my time - people like Narts and Unakau are just going to take it out of context and make personal attacks anyway. I'm never going to get a rational response. Like with Brexit, where I did actually take the time to write several walls of text, I'm just going to be vilified and demonised like I always am on this board with these sorts of issues. No matter what I say. Heck, I even created this topic as an anti-Trump topic, but I was criticised for that. That is why I'm being, as you say, obnoxious.

Hillary is basically the same as Trump behind closed doors, except Trump is honest about it. As I demonstrated, she even tried to ban flag burning herself. Except for Fox (yuck), the media has demonised Trump while keeping quiet about the vast majority of Hillary's problems, and no amount of good arguments is going to convince anyone like Unakau or PK so I'm not even going to bother. And Narts is too deep into the Objectivist cult so it's literally like arguing with a creationist, and I'm sure this board knows all about that. *cough*

There is no point in arguing on an intellectual level with someone who's bought the media line of thinking hook, line and sinker. What I am going to do, however, is treat their closed echo chambers with the ridicule that they deserve. Politics is a show. What you see on TV is what you're meant to see. I have seen *nothing* here but ad hominems. If someone cannot even say they prefer Trump *as the least worst option* without being personally attacked, I think that says volumes about who the real fascists are here.

So, I say to PK, if you're worried about free speech and are wondering where these attacks on it are coming from, I suggest you look in the mirror.

(And Linky, if you must know, I *have* been financially hit by all this. Food has gone up. My course is more expensive from next year. I'm worried about paying my rent. I was going to be getting on the housing ladder in 4-5 years. Etc.)

Re: Donald Trump

by Joey » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:50 am

I imagine you'd change your tune if you bothered to look into the contents of her emails.
I have, dude. She sucks. There's nothing that sucks as much as what Trump's cabinet would love to do. I'd love to hear what in the world you've seen that makes you think she's bad to that extent.
Since I'm going to be getting a lot of anger at Trump redirected at me for not liking Hillary and for just being me
I guess you're just not going to even engage with people who hate Hillary, though. Probably because you are way out of your fudge depth.

Re: Donald Trump

by Linkman » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:30 am

Dave, you're acting douchey. Having a point of view is one thing, being obnoxious is another.

If you truly think your point of view has merit then you can transmit it with the eloquence I know you're capable of. And I'm sure the reasonable people of this thread would treat it with more respect than you've shown so far.

It's very easy to dismiss or joke about these issues from your home at Oxford, but when I read your posts saying "This is hilarious", it annoys me. It bothers me.

fudge man, I'm not even in the danger zone for the Trump presidency and my crumpets is affected. My god damned pension fund dropped 4%. Visa requirements to enter the US might get stiffer which hinders my ability to develop my career by travelling there. My relatives who live there are already experiencing more casual racism than they have in decades.

But yeah, this is hilarious? Don't you see why we are annoyed by this devil's advocate you're playing?

Re: Donald Trump

by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:56 pm

Since I'm going to be getting a lot of anger at Trump redirected at me for not liking Hillary and for just being me, I have decided to cut to the chase and just make him my avatar. I've already been crucified for Brexit so LETS DO IT AGAIN! :D

jesusbog died for your sins

Re: Donald Trump

by Narts » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:17 pm

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Re: Donald Trump

by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:35 pm

Joey wrote: memes?
The Great Meme War of 2016 isn't over quite yet, but D-Day has been won and we're crossing into Germany as we speak.
Pkdragon wrote:And you call it butthurt salt and proceed to gloat? Goodbye, Bog.
You are correct. Laters, try not to slam the door on your way out.

I imagine you'd change your tune if you bothered to look into the contents of her emails.

Copyright 2016 Trump Saltmining Inc

Re: Donald Trump

by scraggypunk » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:46 pm

this is true, i just quite like the way he worded it. donald trump, the avatar of capitalism, is aggressively trying to destroy human existence

Re: Donald Trump

by Joey » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:17 pm

I will note that the Democrats are also not being nearly good enough about climate change. It's insanely frustrating.

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