Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by scraggypunk » Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:36 am

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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by Sven » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:53 pm

end of month thoughts on how I'm spending my money, time, etc:

-The meetups are very hit and miss, but this can be made up for with preparation. They're obviously not too efficient since at best half the time is spent talking in English, but what can you do.

-The meals afterwards are basically always positive experiences, I learn a lot about what I don't know here compared to the meetups. Little cultural things, that sort of stuff.

-I ate out eight times this month, when I usually eat out about once. Based on the types of places we tend to go out to eat at I can probably afford to eat out about three-four times a month over the long term.

-The 'easy' conversational gains I was making seem to mostly be done. I've had Japanese people talk to me at full speed slang included and I definitely can't understand fast enough to respond yet.
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I think I'll probably keep going to the meetups twice a week, but getting tutoring is a better use of my money than going out for meals.

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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by Sven » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:27 am

Meetup was fine, this time it was two Japanese people and me at my table. It really made me realize how bad my Japanese is. I don't really have a lot of active vocabulary.
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Vocab woo~

Mostly just doing a bunch of JLPT N2 practice tests to see how much vocabulary work it would require for me to take that test. Probably will do these tests until the end of the month.

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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by Sven » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:19 pm

random stuff for pk

stuff you can watch as beginner:

this is just shows with subtitles in various settings. idk how smooth it runs now, it was a bit too slow for me.
https://animelon.com/

this is a fairly exhaustive list of shows that have japanese subtitles. let me know if you need help setting them up.
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=s ... apanese%2F

this was the least boring resource i found for pure listening at a beginner level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVhqkey1ucA

the readers i mentioned a few pages back have audio CDs that come with them. let me know if you need help finding them.
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looking up words:

jisho is gold standard for looking up japanese words
http://jisho.org/

there's a PC version of the jisho content
https://www.tagaini.net/

use this one if you want to look up how to say something in japanese from english
http://ejje.weblio.jp/
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grammar references:

taekim has an android app and is probably the best for helping you understand native stuff

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

imabi is probably best if you care about translation

http://www.imabi.net/

i felt genki relied way too hard on its exercises. there's a book called japanese the manga way that might make more sense for you, let me know if you need help finding it.

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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by Pkdragon » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:28 am

Excellent, Sven. Now that payroll is over I'm exploring some of these options. Already use Jisho a lot, the pc version is interesting though.

Animelon looks like it could be amazing, a lot of good shows and not so good shows that would nevertheless make for useful listening practice! I'll also definitely be listening to that youtube video soon.

Payroll hits my wanikani hard, my accuracy definitely took a hit- normally I answer about 92-94% correct, today it was definitely more like 75%, lol. Same thing happened two weeks ago. Still, that's acceptable given a lot of the mistakes were on newer words that I haven't fully learned yet, so I didn't lose much progress.

For those that haven't followed my ramblings on the Discord server, I've been learning the kanji through a website called wanikani. My progress has been massive compared to previous attempts to learn kanji, and it also teaches a fair amount of vocab too. This stuff should help with the other pieces of the japanese language beyond the kanji, though : )
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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by Sven » Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:23 am

It feels like all the Japanese people I talk to at the meetup suddenly decided I could speak Japanese. They talk to me in much faster, more natural sounding Japanese. It's a bit tricky to understand immediately and respond sometimes. And that really made me realize that I have a long, long, long way to go. Ayyy X_X

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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by Sven » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:53 am

In the past, I learned most of my vocab from reading. Recently I've been trying to study vocabulary deliberately instead of by reading. It didn't work, and I don't know why I expected it to work.

I'd rather focus on reading/watching more stuff than deliberate vocabulary study. We'll see how it goes I guess.

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Re: Alors! Dann!! WWN learns a new language!

Post by Sven » Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:00 pm

I've been going to the meetups for two months now. There's one thing that I have to jot down here so that I never forget it:

For whatever reason, maybe a third of the time I seem to be placed in groups where Japanese people either don't show up or there's a beginner to Japanese in the group. Constantly switching between English and Japanese is impossible, and results in me using English. If I end up with a beginner in my group, I'm going to speak in Japanese and refuse to use English. I would rather learn to restrict myself to Japanese from a beginner's textbook than deal with English.

I've talked about feeling like I have to fight the other native English speaker to speak Japanese at these meetups, that's just the reality unfortunately. I think I'll try different meetups around the city to see if anything changes, but I'm not too optimistic.

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