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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Xenesis » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:46 pm

scraggypunk wrote:the united states no longer being united seems to be a thing the citizens want
Hasn't Texas been threatening to secede for literally decades?
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by scraggypunk » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:51 pm

yeah that was one state

now pretty much everyone wants to
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Dragonite » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:03 pm

Aren't white people projected to lose the majority of the population pretty soon? Both with sociological and cultural changes, and that happening, the white conservative part of the USA that wants the 1950's seems to be on it's way out. If the current Trump voters end up disliking his policies, he might lose the next election pretty badly, and what will the future be from there?

Until that time, I still agree with Joey that you guys have a problem. I'm been speaking with Guesty a few times, and he's been very worried. Perhaps I should direct him here.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Pkdragon » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:09 am

No kidding we have a problem.

Some of the worst professional goons of the last decade are suddenly becoming the most powerful men in the world. Trump is already taking shots at the first amendment.

Yeah. It's pretty bad.
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That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by ThunderWalker » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:25 am

It might be just blather to keep the crowd happy though. At least, I hope so.
If not, well... let's say I don't envy the Americans in that case.

CalExit and stuff sounds hilarious. Reminds me of the UK who are going to have a similar issue with Scotland after the Brexit vote.

Also, talking about the freedom of religion and the First Amendment, then let's not talk about the treatment of Native Americans in the past... which is a rather obvious violation.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Dragonite » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:38 am

Even Europe is probably seedy in that matter, but yeah, the whole land of the free, greatest country in the world narrative is complete nonsense if one isn't a white patriot who thinks his nation has a unique blessing of God.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Pkdragon » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:27 am

I don't think anyone was saying that America was perfect in this topic, least of all me.

If that comment was directed at me, I'm well aware of what America did to the native americans. It wasn't ok then, and it wouldn't be ok now. I struggle to see the relevance here, though. Even if America's done some really crumpets things in the past, that doesn't change the fact that Trump making snipes at personal freedom is a really, really bad thing. It just means we've got more crumpets things to look forward to on the horizon.
HPD wrote:You know the only thing on the agenda of the Squirtle Squad is pure, unadulterated chaos.

That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:07 am

This is hilarious.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Bonesy » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:49 am

go back to brexit bog

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Pkdragon » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:44 pm

im going to assume bog is talking about calexit

because that is pretty amusing : )
HPD wrote:You know the only thing on the agenda of the Squirtle Squad is pure, unadulterated chaos.

That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Dragonite » Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:51 pm

It was more directed to the many people on that do believe this way, not at anyone here.

Gets frustrating at times.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:33 am

No the amount of butthurt salt is hilarious. American politics is all show anyway. I didn't want Trump to win, but then Wikileaks happened and I was genuinely scared for the future of the human race when Clinton was ahead. You guys dodged a massive fudge bullet and you don't even want to see it lol. You think Trump is a racist and sexist buffoon? You'd be correct but least he's honest about being those things. Trump's a dick but it's not like he'll be able to get building a wall / imprisoning people for flag burning / etc through congress.

Anyway I'll let you get on with your crying in front of CNN. Martyr me again, go on.

edit: Someone / probably the whole board is going to take this out of context and see this a pro-Trump post, so I'm going to cover my arse: I'm glad Hilary didn't win, but I'm not glad that Trump won.

edit 2: Also wow some Hillary supporters are dumb af. Remember when Trump said he might not accept the result and everyone went crazy? Guess which side isn't accepting the result now? fudge loons.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:15 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Prot ... ct_of_2005
The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced in the United States Senate at the 109th United States Congress on October 24, 2005, by Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and co-sponsored by Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.). Later co-sponsors included Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) and Thomas Carper (D-Del.).[1]

The law would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence or for the act of terrorism. It called for a punishment of no more than one year in prison and a fine of no more than $100,000; unless that flag was property of the United States Government, in which case the penalty would be a fine of not more than $250,000, not more than two years in prison, or both.[1][2][3]
So yeah Hillary not only wanted flag burning to be a criminal offence but she actually tried to make it law.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Narts » Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:32 am

Hillary is not good, but she represents the old political establishment. Which, as bad as it may be, is still better than the new populist establishment that seems to be rising in its place.

People are justifiably angry at the many repeated failures of socialism, but they are turning to fascism and anti-intellectualism as the alternative, instead of something reasonable, like, you know, FREEDOM AND INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

This Trump guy unceremoniously craps all over everything America was supposed to stand for. No wonder you would like him.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:01 am

Narts wrote:No wonder you would like him.
daisy wrote:edit: Someone / probably the whole board is going to take this out of context and see this a pro-Trump post, so I'm going to cover my arse: I'm glad Hilary didn't win, but I'm not glad that Trump won.
Learn to fudge read you fudge imbecile.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Narts » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:03 am

Denied. Your hate of Donald Trump is not valid because you don't hate him for the right reasons.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:04 am

Your life isn't valid.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Narts » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:04 am

Bog supports Donald Trump.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 5:06 am

I don't give a fudge what you think.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Dragonite » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:25 am

Most people were very eh on Hillary and more eh on Trump. Seen a few pragmatic Trump voters already, so that isn't so bad. I'm not sure Trump won't pull the same stuff as Hillary given the chance though. Either way he's a wildcard. It's probably takes a bigger and more competent bomb then Trump to get elected before anything Hillary would've pulled improves. Didn't the FBI get expanded hacking rights a few days ago?

Aside from the issue of liberties, it also gave the conservative movement more power then many would've liked. The supreme court appointments are a very bad side effect of Hillary losing.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:40 am

Dragonite wrote: he's a wildcard
Pretty much this.

With Hilary you know you're getting crumpets. With Trump you know you're probably getting crumpets but there's a slight chance it might be chocolate.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Dragonite » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:50 am

I would argue that Trump also has a chance of getting radioactive waste dump. I get you that Hillary was a terrible status-quo candidate with to much of a past. But I fear that Trump and the kind of allies he picks might do something profoundly stupid.

On the other hand, Russia knows it can get stuff it wants done with him, so they might try to play nice and gets some influence instead of escalating things. That's a complicated one though, domestic situation is complex.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:01 am

She wanted a no-fly zone in Syria. That means shooting down Russian jets. Russia is a nuclear power. Kaboom.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Pk anger » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:22 am

Yeah, bog, fudge you too.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Joey » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:22 am

scraggypunk wrote:the united states no longer being united seems to be a thing the citizens want
I'll reply to more stuff tonight maybe, but first let me say this: in order to legally secede, Congress would need to approve it. Congress is NOT about to approve the only reason that Democrats remain politically viable leaving the fudge country. That's just not going to happen. Nobody's gonna do it. I think in order for it to even MILDLY become a thing California would need to elect secessionists, and they aren't. So...

Anyway I fudge hate Hillary Clinton a whole fudge lot. She's horrible and I don't blame anyone who couldn't bring themselves to vote for her, which included disenfranchised blacks in Milwaukee and protesters along the Dakota Access Pipeline.

But it would have been at worst slightly worse than the Obama administration, which was already bad for tons of reasons.

But this. Oh my goodness. If you don't understand why the gulf between the Clinton administration and the Trump administration is so fudge deep, you're an imbecile. Look at the agendas of his posse. Trump maybe doesn't want war in Syria, but do you know who does? Literally every goddamned one of his closest advisors, and they'd also like to cut any diplomacy with Iran. You can talk all day about Hillary's dumbass no-fly zone and how fudge corrupt she is (AND SHE IS), but Trump's administration is all of those things turned up to eleven.

Literally the only good thing here might be that the power of international courts isn't expanded by some dumb TPP crumpets, but if you think Trump is definitely not going to sign any new trade deals that'd strengthen those, you're not paying attention.
She wanted a no-fly zone in Syria. That means shooting down Russian jets. Russia is a nuclear power. Kaboom.
Her crumpets was dumb and would have resulted in bad things, but dude. This isn't the seventies, bro. Do you know how many nuclear powers there are that fudge with each other literally all the goddamned time?

Your analysis is facile. You're enjoying "salt" as all my friends (pretty fudge righteously!) PANIC. What you think this is; Street Fighter memes?

PS: I will go pretty fudge hard about all this. I am NUDE and I am RED and I am ONLINE
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Sven » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:43 am

it's ok guys trump has promised you all low skill work with excellent pay. just keep mining coal! don't forget to kick all those immigrants out driving your low skilled wages down.

ps:

do you really need your health when you have your freedom?

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Pkdragon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:23 pm

Yeah, Joey's post was pretty on point, but I just want to reiterate. People are scared, people are fearing for their future right now. And they have reason to. Hate groups are celebrating, the KKK is marching, some of the shadiest people in US politics are ascending to power, efforts to fight climate change are about to take a serious hit (take note: as awful as the social stuff is, this is the thing that will actually literally destroy the word). The list goes on and on, there are countless VERY GOOD REASONS TO BE WORRIED RIGHT NOW. And you call it butthurt salt and proceed to gloat?

Goodbye, Bog.
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That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Xenesis » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:26 pm

Sven wrote:do you really need your health when you have your freedom?
I dunno, can you eat it?

Also, I get you're all angry but make sure to keep it under control.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by scraggypunk » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:21 pm

"On Nov. 8, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) delivered a report at the international conference on climate change in Morocco (COP22) which was called in order to carry forward the Paris agreement of COP21. The WMO reported that the past five years were the hottest on record. It reported rising sea levels, soon to increase as a result of the unexpectedly rapid melting of polar ice, most ominously the huge Antarctic glaciers. Already, Arctic sea ice over the past five years is 28 percent below the average of the previous 29 years, not only raising sea levels, but also reducing the cooling effect of polar ice reflection of solar rays, thereby accelerating the grim effects of global warming. The WMO reported further that temperatures are approaching dangerously close to the goal established by COP21, along with other dire reports and forecasts.

Another event took place on November 8, which also may turn out to be of unusual historical significance for reasons that, once again, were barely noted.

On November 8, the most powerful country in world history, which will set its stamp on what comes next, had an election. The outcome placed total control of the government—executive, Congress, the Supreme Court—in the hands of the Republican Party, which has become the most dangerous organization in world history.

Apart from the last phrase, all of this is uncontroversial. The last phrase may seem outlandish, even outrageous. But is it? The facts suggest otherwise. The Party is dedicated to racing as rapidly as possible to destruction of organized human life. There is no historical precedent for such a stand." - Noam Chomsky
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Joey » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:17 pm

I will note that the Democrats are also not being nearly good enough about climate change. It's insanely frustrating.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by scraggypunk » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:46 pm

this is true, i just quite like the way he worded it. donald trump, the avatar of capitalism, is aggressively trying to destroy human existence
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:35 pm

Joey wrote: memes?
The Great Meme War of 2016 isn't over quite yet, but D-Day has been won and we're crossing into Germany as we speak.
Pkdragon wrote:And you call it butthurt salt and proceed to gloat? Goodbye, Bog.
You are correct. Laters, try not to slam the door on your way out.

I imagine you'd change your tune if you bothered to look into the contents of her emails.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Narts » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:17 pm

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Fri Dec 02, 2016 10:56 pm

Since I'm going to be getting a lot of anger at Trump redirected at me for not liking Hillary and for just being me, I have decided to cut to the chase and just make him my avatar. I've already been crucified for Brexit so LETS DO IT AGAIN! :D

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Linkman » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:30 am

Dave, you're acting douchey. Having a point of view is one thing, being obnoxious is another.

If you truly think your point of view has merit then you can transmit it with the eloquence I know you're capable of. And I'm sure the reasonable people of this thread would treat it with more respect than you've shown so far.

It's very easy to dismiss or joke about these issues from your home at Oxford, but when I read your posts saying "This is hilarious", it annoys me. It bothers me.

fudge man, I'm not even in the danger zone for the Trump presidency and my crumpets is affected. My god damned pension fund dropped 4%. Visa requirements to enter the US might get stiffer which hinders my ability to develop my career by travelling there. My relatives who live there are already experiencing more casual racism than they have in decades.

But yeah, this is hilarious? Don't you see why we are annoyed by this devil's advocate you're playing?
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Joey » Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:50 am

I imagine you'd change your tune if you bothered to look into the contents of her emails.
I have, dude. She sucks. There's nothing that sucks as much as what Trump's cabinet would love to do. I'd love to hear what in the world you've seen that makes you think she's bad to that extent.
Since I'm going to be getting a lot of anger at Trump redirected at me for not liking Hillary and for just being me
I guess you're just not going to even engage with people who hate Hillary, though. Probably because you are way out of your fudge depth.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:47 am

Linkman wrote:Dave, you're acting douchey. Having a point of view is one thing, being obnoxious is another.
Linky, I respect you so I'm going to properly reply.

Firstly, you are correct - I am playing a Devil's Advocate. I'm playing it because I'm not going to waste my time - people like Narts and Unakau are just going to take it out of context and make personal attacks anyway. I'm never going to get a rational response. Like with Brexit, where I did actually take the time to write several walls of text, I'm just going to be vilified and demonised like I always am on this board with these sorts of issues. No matter what I say. Heck, I even created this topic as an anti-Trump topic, but I was criticised for that. That is why I'm being, as you say, obnoxious.

Hillary is basically the same as Trump behind closed doors, except Trump is honest about it. As I demonstrated, she even tried to ban flag burning herself. Except for Fox (yuck), the media has demonised Trump while keeping quiet about the vast majority of Hillary's problems, and no amount of good arguments is going to convince anyone like Unakau or PK so I'm not even going to bother. And Narts is too deep into the Objectivist cult so it's literally like arguing with a creationist, and I'm sure this board knows all about that. *cough*

There is no point in arguing on an intellectual level with someone who's bought the media line of thinking hook, line and sinker. What I am going to do, however, is treat their closed echo chambers with the ridicule that they deserve. Politics is a show. What you see on TV is what you're meant to see. I have seen *nothing* here but ad hominems. If someone cannot even say they prefer Trump *as the least worst option* without being personally attacked, I think that says volumes about who the real fascists are here.

So, I say to PK, if you're worried about free speech and are wondering where these attacks on it are coming from, I suggest you look in the mirror.

(And Linky, if you must know, I *have* been financially hit by all this. Food has gone up. My course is more expensive from next year. I'm worried about paying my rent. I was going to be getting on the housing ladder in 4-5 years. Etc.)

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Pkdragon » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:10 am

bog if you're talking to me i wouldn't bother i can't see your posts anymore
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That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Re: Donald Trump

Post by daisy » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:44 am

We all know you're clicking on that "show post" button. Nice free speech defence you got going there. ;)

I still love you bro.
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Re: Donald Trump

Post by Sven » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:51 am

can any americans comment on the worst case scenarios for social rights in states like say, california or new york? how much can your government take away?

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