Tier List (NOV 2010)

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by HPD » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:32 am

Barring Caulder, that is.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Xenesis » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:03 am

I like how my earlier tier list gaffe is now actually the reality. <_<;
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Dragonite » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:16 pm

I like how nobody ever talks about Caulder much.
There is a total taboo on him being used without using the word broken shortly before of after.

So broken it is a waste of time discussing his effectiveness, because he dominates EVERY FACET OF THE GAME.


Is he even on the tier list?




EDIT; not on page one, lol.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by GipFace » Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:42 am

Here's a snapshot of my units built back in October 2008:
13441 infantry
3969 mech
4116 bike
608 recon
383 flare
1780 tank
644 md tank
276 war tank
6420 artillery
273 antitank
617 rockets
613 antiair
242 missiles
418 rig
208 fighter
265 bomber
260 duster
200 seaplane
602 b-copter
339 t-copter
229 battleship
212 cruiser
233 lander
206 submarine
200 carrier
821 gunboat

And here it is now:
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So, what's been going on? First off, the number of mechs built has ballooned. It replaced the tank as the primary direct fire unit. The days of infantry dominance are over, except in maps with three starting properties. In maps with more starting properties and less neutrals, the number of infantry built are minimized. Nobody likes losing an infantry fight 10-2 to Lin or Will's attacking bike/mech. The increase in mechs shoved Tabitha way down the tier list, and currently she is barely hanging on to fair.

Infantry command over 30% of units by volume, but less than 10% of income. Soldiers overall command 58.87% of units by volume and 24.73% by budget. What is surprising is that this value is proportionally higher than the AWBW average. RockmanX_Zero, for example, has 7934 infantry and 708 mechs out of 14629 units built, which is 59.04% by volume and 15.75% by budget. So, yes, it's true...

Soldiers are more important in this game than in AWBW.

But it's not infantry spam! As you can see, by budget, no one soldier is significantly more important than the other. However, since October 2008, mechs were the #1 soldier unit. With mechs never being this much in the spotlight, Will is a better soldier CO than Sami ever was.

Other trends include less artillery by budget (though still over 20%) and more antiair to combat the rise of mechs. Don't mind the alarming number of seaplanes built. That's because I use Waylon a lot in random wi-fi and force seaplanes whenever there are seaports but no airports. Seaplanes are still awful.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Vega » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:15 am

It may sound sad, but my primary built unit is the War Tank, followed by infantry. I think I have over 2,000 War Tanks built. When I play, I don't play smart, I rush in and kill everything that moves.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Dragonite » Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:49 pm

I tend to use wartanks to finish off the AI, but over time I am favoring md tanks more and more for that job.
Wartanks are just to slow and expensive.
And yet the AI is fond of saving up money for an early wartank.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Treedweller » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:34 am

After looking at this thread, I'm very glad I stopped playing this game.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by DTaeKim » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:46 am

It's not that bad. I think it's tamer than the debates in the earlier series.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by GipFace » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:14 am

After looking at this thread, I'm very glad I stopped playing this game.

I'm very glad that we didn't have to put up with your smartass comments for a year.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by GipFace » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:18 am

Tier list updated to October 2009.

Sorry, but future discussion will be held at http://www.advancewarsnet.com/forums/in ... opic=32427 because honestly, that place is more alive than this one. Shows what an automatic ladder (even a cheesy one) can do for a site.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by HPD » Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:46 am

We used to run a Ladder, but that's been years ago. It used to be pretty fun, but yeah, it got inactive and died ;_;
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by DieselPheonix » Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:45 pm

Why did it die?

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by HPD » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:20 pm

Lack of interest by the community mainly..

Also, we didn't have a really fancy one like AWN. It worked fine, though.

But yeah, the first Ladder competition was started by Linkman somewhere in 2004, when we were still at the GameFAQs boards. That was even before AWBW, so we only could play AW2 through SaveStateSwap.

DoR never got a Ladder competition here. Maybe we'll create a new one for the next AW game. That would be pretty cool.
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"My motto is that there are far too many women in the world to waste time with men." - thefalman
"It's just that I'm not really aware of how a common conversation goes." - Imano Ob, talking on MSN about talking on MSN
"As for FE8, that was IS' variant of Man Spam - Dudes with Swords edition." - Xenesis

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Gentleman of Dread » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:22 pm

Yeah. Wasn't the reason we never did a ladder here for DoR is because hardly here brought the game?
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by DTaeKim » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:05 am

Basically. I think we have a reputation for being mostly single-player though.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Gentleman of Dread » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:22 am

I honestly think this board needs a ladder though, I mean, it does give us something to do when we're bored.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by DTaeKim » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:12 am

Well, this topic isn't conducive to discussion, mainly because we're in agreement with GipFace. A Ladder would help things, but AWN has an established ladder at this point.

Like HPD suggested, we should implement one when the next game comes out.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by DTaeKim » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:52 am

In recent news, Gip thinks Waylon could jump into the balanced tier because of the need for airports on maps.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by GipFace » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:55 pm

No, probably just top of underpowered. Everyone in underpowered doesn't boost any land units, so that's as far as Waylon could go. He has no game against Lin, since Lin blasts his 110/110 land units. She can also OHKO his zone copters with regular zone antiair (105 x 1.3 / 1.4 = 97%) or guarantee it with a Lv1 zone antiair (105 x 1.35 / 1.4 = 101%)

Basically, if the CO can't really put up a fight against Lin, that CO is put into underpowered.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by ptd » Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:41 am

It seems that as you get better with strategy, you depend less on your luck rolls. As a consequence, Penny will move toward the bottom unless you learn to abuse the system to allow the player to select the correct weather with her COP. I'll say that this is possible, but the player have to do some random stuff before finding out the necessary "weird" sequence to affect the pseudo random number generator.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by DTaeKim » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:15 am

We need to edit the original post.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by a noob » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:38 pm

I find it funny how everyone thought Lin sucked when the game came out. Now she's top tier?

Also, Caulder could be balanced if you could only deploy him in a CO unit once, meaning if his CO unit dies, he dies as well.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Dragonite » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:42 am

Good luck destroying caulder even once. He still would be broken.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by a noob » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:56 am

Maybe if you lost when Caulder died?

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by kiwi » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:47 am

yeah that'll work against a guy who has the super ability of not dying

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Sven » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:15 am

hey guise im immortal but if you kill me you win the JACKPOT

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Dragonite » Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:21 am

Well, caulder can be defeated, but only if the map is unfair, or the caulder player is stupid.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by ThunderWalker » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:52 pm

dragonite wrote:Well, caulder can be defeated, but only if the map is unfair, or the caulder player is stupid.
Or both.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by a noob » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:54 pm

lol this entire forum is dead

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Xenesis » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:06 pm

AW as a whole is dead.
IST wrote:Even the worst individual needs to discover the joys of a chicken statue that is also a pregnant blonde housewife.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by DieselPheonix » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:35 pm

Huh. When did that happen?

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Sven » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:22 am

aw is about as dead as it was after dual strike. which is to say, pretty dead.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Dragonite » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:47 am

This forum is far from dead, just a bit small scale.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Gentleman of Dread » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:44 pm

Personally, we should put a little more empthasis on AW.

I DEMAND WE BRING CUSTOM CO COMPETIONS BACK/

I bagsy turning Xenesis into a co.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by kiwi » Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:01 pm

that's a great idea

go do it

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Xenesis » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:21 pm

Deoxy wrote:hey guys what's your favourite unit
Stealth Snipers.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by ThunderWalker » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:56 pm

Assault Mech with Nuke Cannons which can attack everything and anything regardless, while doing 999% damage. :c:

Because AWN is down, and BHHQ is inactive, this is the only AW board left, so back ontopic.
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by GipFace » Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:27 am

Updated original post.

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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by Xenesis » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:45 pm

And I corrected your time warp ;)
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Re: Tier Lists, Take Three

Post by ALAKTORN » Sun Mar 14, 2010 8:46 pm

Tasha above Penny????? Tabitha down again?

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