Mafia 42: Harsh times in Mother Russia - Mafia Wins (K MVP)

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Post by Satel » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:00 am

It was enjoyable. Can everyone have a link to see salty me in the dead QT?

EDIT: Also, another lesson: never let the fate of the world in pk's hands.
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Post by Gentleman of Dread » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:09 am

Make sure that me and sven lynch either treed or terr next time. We had a killer strategy and we mis-stepped a bit. Thanks K you absolute boss.
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Post by HPD » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:32 am

Yeah, if you start revealing roles to the dead, then the more people die, the higher the risk of one of them running their mouths.

Especially when several people including actives are discussing the game on the IRC.
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Post by Pkdragon » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:13 am

airnike i don't know if this will soothe your intense rage at all

but i couldn't lynch k w/o feeling i was cheating on some level

thus what i did

remember it's not whether you win or lose but how you end the game

maybe if you had actually written those 500 words it would have been different.
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Post by Pkdragon » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:20 am

btw even if i wasn't SECRET MAFIA it was a pretty fantastic game

killer town comeback, even if we didn't win we got pretty damn close
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That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Post by Satel » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:27 am

We can take this game as a town victory anyways.
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Post by Gentleman of Dread » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:54 am

Can we? ;)
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Post by Linkman » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:18 am

yes we can't

Mafia won Satel and Airnike, deal with it
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Post by Satel » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:36 am

They did only because pk trolled.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a town win, even if the results say otherwise.

I'm not raging or whatever, mind you, but the real result isn't always the written one. I'm taking this game as town victory, even though I very well know the mafia won.
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Post by Dragonite » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:51 am

Only issue with mafia win is Linky's big error with the Treed lunch. If that didn't happen, it's probably a town win. What did PK know on the final day? If he just gambled wrong it's a mafia win. And I might add the only reason the comeback happened in the first place is that Q started trolling big-time, and Sven/GoD couldn't fully coordinate their actions with Q/K. Treed/Terr would've died if Q didn't grab attention. The resulting fallout would've made it easier for the mafia to finish it off the next day. The town was playing extremely poorly before this point, with many loud players only focusing on other loud players. GoD/Sven got somewhat greedy with this and stayed silent, but they had little reason to act since the town was just tearing down itself. It's only after Q actively disrupted the proceedings that this began to backfire. GoD slipped up a bit, but it's was mostly the momentum of Q's turning up mafia giving the town easy evidence to see the truth. Without that it would've been a very certain mafia win. Even if PK trolled, it just balanced out to moral mafia victory anyway >_> Deoxy is awesome for figuring out the pattern before Q though.

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Post by Satel » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:23 am

Sure, Q threw the game. I'll agree on that. If he didn't it would've likely been a mafia clean sweep... maybe. We'll never know.

Also, I mentioned in the spectate topic that Deoxy was a genius. She's the winner as far as I'm concerned. =D
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Post by scraggypunk » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:30 am

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Post by Pkdragon » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:48 am

Dragonite wrote:Only issue with mafia win is Linky's big error with the Treed lunch. If that didn't happen, it's probably a town win. What did PK know on the final day? If he just gambled wrong it's a mafia win. And I might add the only reason the comeback happened in the first place is that Q started trolling big-time, and Sven/GoD couldn't fully coordinate their actions with Q/K. Treed/Terr would've died if Q didn't grab attention. The resulting fallout would've made it easier for the mafia to finish it off the next day. The town was playing extremely poorly before this point, with many loud players only focusing on other loud players. GoD/Sven got somewhat greedy with this and stayed silent, but they had little reason to act since the town was just tearing down itself. It's only after Q actively disrupted the proceedings that this began to backfire. GoD slipped up a bit, but it's was mostly the momentum of Q's turning up mafia giving the town easy evidence to see the truth. Without that it would've been a very certain mafia win. Even if PK trolled, it just balanced out to moral mafia victory anyway >_> Deoxy is awesome for figuring out the pattern before Q though.
I knew K was mafia. I probably would have figured it out on my own, but certain dead people talked too much and let crucial information drop(and it was my bad for basically setting them up to in the IRC b/c i wanted to vent about MY GRAND PLAN GOING AWRY). Because of this I wasn't happy with either option. I didn't want to throw the game, but I didn't want to vote k based on information i wasn't supposed to have.

the decision to lynch roulette wasn't trolling, it was the most honest thing to do in the circumstances. everything else was... me having fun, but also me working out what to do and keeping everyone "entertained" in the process.

also, personally i think the town played better than everyone is giving them credit for, i mean it's easy to backseat mafia when you know who's who, but under the circumstances we still managed to wise up and get three mafia. and yes, i helped screw the town out of the fourth mafia during day 6, but again, i wasn't actually expecting treed to lynch himself. otherwise we would have been guaranteed to hit k and then i would have had a backup plan ready just in case.

definitely agree with deoxy being town mvp, though part of it was that she got lucky and decided "mafia is always inactive" the one time that it turned out that yes, all the mafia were actively trying to be inactive as part of their grand strategy lol.
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Post by Gentleman of Dread » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:30 am

I was as active as normal god damn it.
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Post by Dragonite » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:44 am

Towns fault for ignoring those inactives though. Then again it's so common on WWN it tends to be excusable.

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Post by HPD » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:27 am

The thing is, people often have vey valid reasons for being inactive. I know Sven's often busy. I didn't pressure him on it when I asked him on the IRC. I even told him I honestly didn't realise he was even in the game until day three.

For GoD and K, I just wrote it off as their playing style (and for GoD it really is!).

You can't blame town for not picking up on this until we did. It wasn't just Q's fault really that we changed. Things just started getting shifty, also because the more we prssured Treed and Terr, the more innocent both appeared. I then jumped to Q, not because of the sock puppet thing, but because Deoxy was already voting Q. I just jumped on it because it had the best odds of turning a Treed lynch around before the mafia could end it. And that happened since Sven and GoD were too late to realise this.

I agree that town deserves a bit more respect. We did everything we could and managed to steer ourselves away from what would have been a disaster.

And the mafia got incredibly lucky with the inspector/doc kills anyway. It's still a mafia win and Satel is a pretty sore loser if he can't admit that, even when he made the biggest fudge on the town's side.
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Post by hawkesnightmare » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:35 am

Interestingly enough, if the inspector had lived long enough for Q to break out his sock puppets, the town might have believed that he was the inspector and managed to land a positive ID on a mafia member. Of course, that would have depended on which townies were alive at that point, but it might have worked.
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Post by HPD » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:50 am

that would have been far too late in the day to be a cop reveal.

plus, all communication would've gone through the miller anyway
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Post by Sven » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:52 am

town played good. dunno about tboy but i definitely felt i couldn't suddenly jump in after the sock puppet posts to become a super active player. we just crossed our fingers and hoped for the best.

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Post by Pkdragon » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:53 am

Gentleman of Dread wrote:I was as active as normal god damn it.
yeah you were actually more active than usual. still reading that mafia topic (A+ read btw, learn to win mafia games through casual racism and hpd lynching) it did seem to be a fairly conscious decision to lie low. which would have been fine if it wasn't for deoxy.

EDIT: and yeah i for one know that sven has valid reasons for inactivity, god was posting more than usual, q is normally fairly quiet, and k is an unknown. hard to go after them when you have people making post after post that makes them look sketchy.
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Post by Dragonite » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:55 am

Oh yeah, that reminds me. Was I salty enough for everyone's tastes?

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Post by Pkdragon » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:57 am

dragonite you were eh on the sodium level, satel on the other hand...
TREED WTF DON4T SUICIDE YOU HAVE A VICTORY HANGING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES AND YOU4RE JUST THROWING IT AWAY DEOXY WILL DIE AND PK WILL TURN ON AIRNIKE IF YOU DO THAT PLEASE TREED I THOUGHT YOU WERE INTELLIGENT OR SOME crumpets SRSLY
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HPD wrote:You know the only thing on the agenda of the Squirtle Squad is pure, unadulterated chaos.

That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Post by Sven » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:58 am

SODIUM LEVEL THROUGH THE ROOF

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Post by Pkdragon » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:03 am

also guys keep in mind for next time

when im kingmaker

and i ask for essays

youd better deliver essays
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Post by Gentleman of Dread » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:08 am

yes sir
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Post by Sven » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:09 am

1. Contexts of fatal flaw

“Class is part of the absurdity of narrativity,” says Sontag. Derrida uses the term ‘capitalist nihilism’ to denote the common ground between reality and class. Therefore, any number of narratives concerning surrealism exist.

If capitalist nihilism holds, we have to choose between Baudrillardist hyperreality and subcultural semanticism. In a sense, the premise of the capitalist paradigm of consensus implies that society, paradoxically, has intrinsic meaning.

Sartre promotes the use of Batailleist `powerful communication’ to read art. Thus, Porter[1] suggests that we have to choose between surrealism and the postdeconstructive paradigm of discourse.

A number of desituationisms concerning the role of the artist as poet may be found. It could be said that the capitalist paradigm of consensus states that the media is impossible.

2. Surrealism and dialectic theory

“Sexual identity is intrinsically elitist,” says Debord; however, according to Porter[2] , it is not so much sexual identity that is intrinsically elitist, but rather the failure of sexual identity. If subtextual materialist theory holds, we have to choose between the capitalist paradigm of consensus and the postcultural paradigm of consensus. Therefore, Foucault uses the term ‘surrealism’ to denote not narrative as such, but neonarrative.

The main theme of Cameron’s[3] analysis of the capitalist paradigm of consensus is the role of the reader as participant. La Tournier[4] implies that the works of Fellini are an example of subdeconstructive socialism. Thus, Marx’s essay on Derridaist reading suggests that truth is used to reinforce sexism, but only if the premise of the capitalist paradigm of consensus is valid; otherwise, Lyotard’s model of dialectic theory is one of “structuralist precapitalist theory”, and thus impossible.

If one examines the capitalist paradigm of consensus, one is faced with a choice: either reject Derridaist reading or conclude that culture is capable of deconstruction. In Satyricon, Fellini reiterates the capitalist paradigm of consensus; in 8 1/2, although, he deconstructs surrealism. Therefore, any number of desublimations concerning dialectic theory exist.

“Society is part of the futility of consciousness,” says Baudrillard. The subject is interpolated into a surrealism that includes reality as a whole. In a sense, many constructivisms concerning a self-justifying totality may be discovered.

The primary theme of the works of Fellini is the role of the artist as poet. But the subject is contextualised into a dialectic theory that includes consciousness as a whole.

If the capitalist paradigm of consensus holds, we have to choose between dialectic theory and cultural narrative. However, Lacan suggests the use of surrealism to deconstruct the status quo.

The subject is interpolated into a capitalist paradigm of consensus that includes sexuality as a reality. Therefore, Wilson[5] holds that the works of Fellini are modernistic.

If dialectic theory holds, we have to choose between the capitalist paradigm of consensus and the capitalist paradigm of reality. It could be said that in Amarcord, Fellini affirms dialectic theory; in La Dolce Vita, however, he examines the capitalist paradigm of consensus.

The subject is contextualised into a surrealism that includes culture as a totality. However, Derrida’s critique of postconceptualist appropriation implies that sexuality may be used to oppress the proletariat, given that narrativity is distinct from language.

1. Porter, S. G. ed. (1984) The Burning House: The capitalist paradigm of consensus and surrealism. Panic Button Books

2. Porter, D. V. K. (1993) Libertarianism, surrealism and Derridaist reading. Harvard University Press

3. Cameron, E. ed. (1978) The Collapse of Class: The capitalist paradigm of consensus in the works of Fellini. And/Or Press

4. la Tournier, P. Q. (1981) Surrealism, libertarianism and dialectic Marxism. Yale University Press

5. Wilson, V. A. K. ed. (1993) Neomodernist Theories: Surrealism in the works of Lynch. Harvard University Press

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Post by Dragonite » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:30 am

Pkdragon wrote:dragonite you were eh on the sodium level, satel on the other hand...
TREED WTF DON4T SUICIDE YOU HAVE A VICTORY HANGING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES AND YOU4RE JUST THROWING IT AWAY DEOXY WILL DIE AND PK WILL TURN ON AIRNIKE IF YOU DO THAT PLEASE TREED I THOUGHT YOU WERE INTELLIGENT OR SOME crumpets SRSLY
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Granted, I mostly was uncaring on day 1 with the ML lynch for just to avoid another claim-based game based on a confirmed role. GoD linked me the mafia quicktopic soon after, and I spend the whole game rooting for the mafia. Not enough to get enraged about. Best moment in the game for me was when Treed decided to drop his usual personality in mafia for a sec. Very refreshing. The overdramatic style(and the one-track mind antics that sometimes pop up as a result), can get a little tiring at times.

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Post by Treedweller » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:54 am

Sven, your sources are scant and show no sign of engagement with critical or cultural theory published after 1993.

Please see me after class for... remedial lessons.

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Post by Linkman » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:59 am

The whole dealio here is ACCEPT THE LOSS Satel
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Post by Airnike » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:23 pm

I just realized that my making it to endgame everytime means that I absolutely suck at being town.

Also, props to Q, Treed, Linkman and Pk for your extreme throwing talents.
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Senpai HPD notices me everyday when I'm town, do no scum play, and still get lynched day 1.
Anyway, it's time to go and ask people to claim and go lynch those who don't with my high-skill OP role.
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Post by Satel » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:03 pm

believe it or not that capslock post was intentionally over-the-top.

one way or another this game was amazing, w/e if it's a loss or a win i don't think i really care at that point
HPD wrote:[...] even when he made the biggest fudge on the town's side.
I'd like to know if you meant throwing my life away to GoD, because he told me the mafia would still have killed me probably. I did make a pretty big fudge and that was play the way I did and as a role that needs to not die.
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st3rn fudge st3rn

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Post by Pkdragon » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:02 am

yeah they were already planning on killing you

cuz you're european
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That, and watching Euros squirm.

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Post by Satel » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:06 am

making myself a threat as town PR was a bad idea from the start anyways

i shall play differently from now on

also me hosting comes in at a perfect time cuz i think i'm starting to tilt as a player
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Post by Sven » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:18 am

you were not a threat

you were just unfortunate enough to be born in europe

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Post by Satel » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:45 am

But... but... I'm trying to find an excuse to recover my battered ego! T-T
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